This initially began as a response to comments on a post here, at IHW, as well as an article posted by Erik Stitt of Contact, and is in regards to Stephen Hawking's recent opinions on the nature of extra terrestrial life. But once I'd posted it thought it might make for a good piece on it's own, after elaborating on some points and cleaning it up a bit.With Stephen Hawking's latest statement on extra terrestrial life, their arose the question of anthropomorphic tendencies among some physicists. Of course, this isn't anything particularly new. It's human nature to project human qualities on other forms of life and sometimes even on inanimate objects. These peculiar inclinations of ours provide a lot of interesting questions and has produced some awful literal representations. But when it comes to inserting our qualities into the mind of an intelligent alien life form, when does it become overly presumptuous, if not completely presumptuous from the start?
I have mentioned in past articles that labeling the possible actions of an extra terrestrial civilization with terms like 'good' or 'bad', is a bit ridiculous because it assumes that all intelligent beings would act more or less like us, portraying the same kinds of emotions and have the same ideas of what is considered 'right' and 'wrong'. So, when science speaks up and theorizes that contact with EBEs may be to our detriment because they could live a malevolent existence and seek to conquer us, it gives the general public the impression that life really is like Star Wars and that it might not be such a slick idea to set up base on Hoth.
Could that really be the case? Sure. Why not? But such ideas do not sit well with everybody. Many are arguing that assuming human concepts of 'good' and 'evil' are prevalent throughout the universe is a childish and naive approach -- and coming from the keyboard of such a notable and respected physicist, why, that's just adding insult to injury! Seriously though, I agree that it is indeed a naive perspective, but I'm not so sure that's what Hawking (and others) are really suggesting. I believe what he was trying to convey (albeit poorly), is that certain actions of an extra terrestrial people may appear as 'malevolent' to us.
Evolved and intelligent life on other planets would undoubtedly be quite strange to the people of Earth, and have developed significantly different in comparison. Things like atmosphere, water, vegetation, sunlight, and so on, are all factors that can produce different outcomes in the evolution of a species. But I think there are some 'human' qualities that might apply across the board: certain so-called universal behaviours, such as the idea that 'For something to live something must die' and 'All living creatures have a right to survival'.
If we do one day find ourselves tits-up as a result of heinous space-faring beings, it doesn't necessarily have to be the product of some devious alien nature. Good and Evil are subjective concepts, but it's how these concepts impact us that dictates our actions and fears, and promotes the creation of labels and shoveling of things into neat little boxes we can conveniently tag as Black or White.
I don't think Stephen was totally out of line for propounding that aliens could want to invade us, unless he was also suggesting that they would do so only for purely diabolical reasons. It is very possible that an alien act of survival may seem like something horrifically cruel to us, if we found ourselves on the short end of that stick, thereby causing us to knee-jerkingly brand them as 'malevolent'. So, Hawking was probably only suggesting that there exists the chance that some alien civilizations may be malevolent, or what we might consider as malevolent... and it just may be one of those that could pop on by for some liver and a nice Chianti.
I don't think Stephen was totally out of line for propounding that aliens could want to invade us, unless he was also suggesting that they would do so only for purely diabolical reasons. It is very possible that an alien act of survival may seem like something horrifically cruel to us, if we found ourselves on the short end of that stick, thereby causing us to knee-jerkingly brand them as 'malevolent'. So, Hawking was probably only suggesting that there exists the chance that some alien civilizations may be malevolent, or what we might consider as malevolent... and it just may be one of those that could pop on by for some liver and a nice Chianti.
If you buy into the law of probability, given a near (if not) infinite universe, the probability of more than one other alien civilization evolving similar to us, is very high. So in that alone, there would probably be (and probably is) an alien civilization very much like us, somewhere out there in the Great Beyond -- and with that comes a real concern of motives and what they might do if our humble little planet were to be discovered by them. We don't trust ourselves, so why would we trust someone like us? The odds that one such civilization would exist by or would have come anywhere near us are probably pretty high, but who really knows?
As Erik mentioned in his piece, this is all speculation. It really is. Your ideas, my ideas, and Hawking's ideas. Our speculation comes from what we understand, only. Perhaps ironically, even the speculation that extra terrestrial life would be 'totally alien' to us is coming from a very human position.











18 comments:
Nicely done, Sweetheart. You address the possible motives behind his reasoning very well whereas I took a decidedly less pithy and more linear approach to his propositioning. Both views marry well I should think.
Thank you for a great article!
Erik
Excellent post Deirdre, one for the ages (or until we go 'tits-up' anyways)!
I recommend this book; http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Star-Charles-Pellegrino/dp/0688139892
Goes to the 'nothing personal, just you instead of me' meme.
~dad
Thanks to you both! <3
I need to write something snarky again. I'm getting to serious! Ah, but I suppose it's a nice break.
I'll check out the book,Dad =)
You should write TWO snarky pieces. You earned it. Here's some inspiration as if you needed any.
The Muppets Take Romanek!
There ya go.
I would but Romanek isn't really an experiencer. *snort*
If anybody thinks that they cannot be heard because they are a "nobody" and have nothing to offer, I will tell you that is false. I am a "nobody" and I have been heard.
I am nothing more than a simple guard in a government building that lives a nondescript life in the country in a trailer with his wife and children. I study, research, read and practice. I have no formal education beyond some rudimentary college courses. I am self educated and motivated to continue as such in that same vein.
As of this morning, my article responses to Mr. Hawking's seemingly irresponsible Alien Statement were ranked number one on Google.
I have his attention. My dream? A simple dialogue in a coffee house setting or a quiet tea with Mr. Hawking. I do not wish to discuss Theoretical Physics as that is not my forte although I understand it.
I wish to discuss Paranormal Philosophy and it's potentially applied theoretics as that is not his forte and furthermore, I do not think he understands it.
Thanks to each and every one of you for your support and readership. I am eternally indebted.
Cheers and Grace,
Erik
Congrats on the ranking!
I Googled, Stumbled It, Dugg and Reddit this article of yours as well, Deirdre. You should be getting some decent traffic to it. Your voice is important too. That's my point. People need to think for themselves and assuage the gross misconceptualized opinions of make-believe authority.
Mr. Hawking is grossly out of his league and experiential background here. Humanity needs to rise up against this assumptive authority and speak out as individuals together.
Mark my words, if we do not do this, Mr. Hawking and his fellow cadre of exalted thinkers, will continue to spew out rubbish such as this that will in one way or another, eventually be used against us and not for the benefit of mankind.
Erik
Ya know, I watched the whole special last night. I don't know how many people watched it before penning their articles (I didn't), or if they have seen it since.
The bit about the aliens taking over earth was at the very end of the show. The last 3-5 minutes. The first 40 minutes of the show he considers many different types of alien evolutions, environments and behaviors. The aggressive alien idea was only one of many. To me, this sort of changes things a bit because he never said anything with certainty -- it was all "Maybe it happened like this, or maybe it happened like that, or maybe it happened like this other thing" -- much like any one of us might do. But because this was uttered by one of the world's most notable physicists, people attached a certain weight to it.
Since the closing theory was at the end of the show, and since its an idea that has us taking the piss from a proposed incredibly advanced civilization, it stuck in the minds (and craw) of the viewer. Most of the articles commenting on his statement didn't discuss the whole rest of the program.
I'm sure there's a lot in that program that many would debate and argue with beyond the one currently under scrutiny, but it's important to remember that Hawking is a theoretical physicist. He is theorizing the different kinds of outcomes based on what science has come to understand about life and the universe.
He suggested the outcome as only one possibility.
Hawking has a lot of ideas that are in direct conflict with my own. Some are even discussed in this episode and in the following episode abut Time Travel. But the outcry that this recent statement has resulted in seems a bit much, especially since it was only a consideration made on a television show designed to entertain.
That does, for the most part, put a different flavor on things a bit but I will stick to my guns, because I'm an idiot and still think that because of the sheeple mentality of the globe, it was still an irresponsible thing to say as is evident by the brushfire knee-jerk responses spreading around the globe, including those of yours truly who's responses still rank top dog on Google.
I'm the number one idiot!!! Wooooooot!!
Mighty fine mess of idjits wee'ins is ain't we?
Erik
I read the latest post on Luminosity tonight and this stuck out. Seemed somehow relevant:
"Imagine getting into the mind of a being that is ancient beyond imagination. Imagine that it has traversed near boundless time and space in doing so. Imagine the will to self-preservation such a being would possess. Do you think for a moment that such a being will only possess kindness and benevolence? Perhaps it possesses other traits as well, traits that necessarily exist for its own continuity and survival. These would be traits that it accepts as integral to its survival no matter how brutal or negative they may be perceived by a humanity that lacks experience. There is a complexity and terror here that has never been fully addressed. This is a complexity that the human mind can scarcely grasp because it is ruled (and blissfully so) by certain opinions and passions that prohibit a certain panoramic view of existence that in the end may be necessary for its own continuity."
The above have some resemblance to the "First Born", the very first intelligent species in the Universe protagonists in the "Time Odyssey" series by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Time_Odyssey
I am loath to use Wikipedia, but in this case, it's innocuous.
~dad
That's a great and relevant statement....if it is related to from a point of view of mere existence. These things don't exist, I think. THEY ARE...
Therefore there is no threat to them as we, in our current subconscious mindset, are but innocuous curiosities: Ignorant Objets D'art that are wholly malleable because we think we affect something in the physical. That isn't real. Nothing is...
Erik
I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean 'They Are' in the Harlequin case or in all cases?
If the latter:, I'm not trying to run anything around in circles here, but I feel pretty certain that there are other 'people' in the universe at varying levels of similarity to us (and existence) just as much as I believe there are other things out there that do not operate on a level of existence we understand and are of a greater consciousness and intellect.
We currently have no idea or clue about which, if any could have come by Earth. We have no idea what 'level' of technological advancement they may be at. Most would assume it to be 'millions' of years ahead. But what if it's only like a few hundred years? And what if they do happen to be at least similar to us in how they think?
Of course, I'm basing most of this on the 'alien' argument because Hawking's statement was discussing being of existence on a more physical-based plane. I'm not necessarily saying I believe that what we have had going on here on Earth in the past (or present) has been ET In nature.
You mentioned that we are no threat in our current subconscious mindset. I don't entirely agree. I don't think we can assume this because in that alone we are projecting. When we debate form a point of the unknown, everything is unknown.
If the former: *nods*
@Dad - I should read some Arthur C Clarke. Believe it or not, I've not read any of his work.
Well, as you know me, I could go on and on about my ideas. In short, to me the physical is nothing but a malleable field of the mind. It is existence. I define existence as having a beginning and an end. Such is the realm of mind and its ideas. We are nothing more than ideas to my way of thinking. BEingness is not existence. Completely different. BEingness has never had a beginning nor will it have an end. It just is. Consciousness. I relate from that.
Were something visiting this planet from the far reaches, they probably did so from a Collective Mindset as ONE as I feel that there is no physical way that is practical to be coming all the way over here.
We are no threat because we see the realm of mind and it's subjective nonsense as paranormal and do not see its potential uses as we still fear it from a subconscious state. Anything visiting us is probably beyond that and thus by being so, the physical laws as understood by us simians no longer apply. Paranormal to us. Normal to them.
This is where Hawking's non creative and non philosophical mind falls way short. Philosophy should be a required course for anybody doing a "theoretical" anything! He's speaking from a sense of existence and it is sadly very limited. I do not think we will ever deal with anything in existence. I think we will deal only with something that has realized BEingness to which again, we pose no threat. Existence cannot fathom the vast distances between our physicality and theirs.
Einsteinian Tesseract. Think your way here. You are physical only when you need to be. Anything that cannot grock that is not a threat for what could you do as a thing of existence to a non thing that is just BEingness?
Nothing I should think.
After this, I give up trying to explain. It's all subjective anyway and everybody is utterly alone in their own weirdness. There is no complete commonality running through human beings except that you have no choice but to contend with your own shit by yourself as no one can share the exact same experiences with you as they are all subject to their own interpretations and filtration processes. You are fucked. Period. You come in alone. You leave alone. As above so below.
Erik
The last paragraph particularly resonates with me:
"...you have no choice but to contend with your own shit by yourself as no one can share the exact same experiences with you..."
See? That's subjectivity. Don't believe anyone. Don't believe anywhere. Don't believe anywhen. Don't believe anything beyond that which is your own experiences because that is all there is that any one of the previous formats can prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt.
So when people like myself share their weird fucked up theories, what you are actually getting is a glimpse of their own unique flavor of pathology because no matter what they say or write, it is NEVER the thing of which they are babbling on about. Only an interpretation and their limited perception of it.
Just shoot me now...ugh..
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